Keith discusses how he found meditation and shares about his path with Tibetan and Zen Buddhism. We talked about spiritual states, ego stages, Integral theory, and what Zen can learn from therapy and therapy from Zen. We also dug into hierarchy and power inside of spiritual lineages. Keith highlights the importance of adult psychological development and the potential pit falls and dangers of not doing psychological work along with one's practice of meditation. Keith is a Kung Fu teacher as well as an ordained Zen priest and sensei and is the author of several award winning books and has been an active member in the Integral Theory community of Ken Wilber.